Oil is leaking at the seal from the crankshaft

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  1. wokri

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    Hello,
    at my truck is oil leaking at the seal from the end of the crankshaft to the side of gear box. I know that the seals are two stripes, we call them in German Borgmann rings and they sit in two halves that fits around the crankshaft.
    I know if the car is standing about a longer times those seals will leak.
    I have two questions,
    - If I change these seals must I put of the engine?
    - Does it give a newer methode with other seal - Simmering - to keep that part dry?
    If someone have an idea and perhabs some photos, he will help me surely.
    Wolfgang
     
  2. ccharr

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    First, is the side cover tight? Just go see if the stovebolts need a turn or two before you go dropping the pan.
    My truck leaked for over a year before I seen where it was coming from.
     
  3. vwnate1

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    Wokri ;

    No ,you don't remove the engine , just the sump , this is a fairly easy job if messy .

    I am told there's now a modern synthetic seal that fits where the old rope typ of seal used to go .
     
  4. wokri

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    Dear Nate, can you give me a link, where i can find this seal?
    Wolfgang
     
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    Engine repair

    I am very intrested to know how your engine repair came of ? How did you repaired it and what result did you get ?

    Keep up the good work Martinius.:)

     
  6. wokri

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    Dear Martinus,
    what do you mean, the oil leaking or my problem with the crack were water come out?
    Wolfgang
     
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    Good evening Wolfgang

    I am intrested to know about the repair of the crack in Your engine block and what the outcome of that is ?

    Thanks Martinius

     
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    The repair

    Hello,
    So, I thought about how to repair the block thoroughly and ask an old school friend of he is an engine builder should I let weld the crack in the block or not. He told me that I can do this if I find one who is a specialist in cast iron welding. He told me that he had no one in my area.
    Some friends of me are owners of a iron foundry. They told me they give their parts to Hannover to an institut, but they said there will be always a risk to weld an engine. It can be okay and everthing will be fine but it can also be that you will have after welding a banana, an crooked block and this will be very expensive to get it right. They gave me an adress for a factory which sells cold welding products and they close with that gas tanks who have a crack. Here the internet address:
    http://diamant-polymer.de/en/products/multimetal/
    I cleaned the the part of the block where the crack is very careful with aceton, mill cut the crack on the hole lengh a little bit, drilled at both ends of the crack a hole and cut a thread where I screwed screws in it which hold on a sheet metal.
    Between the metall of the block and the sheet metall I put the cold welding 2-component repair system. After waiting 2 days to let the paste will get hard, I sprayed a substance which is called Dichtol, here the address:
    http://diamant-polymer.de/en/products/dichtol/
    I made last week a test drive and looked if the part around the crack is dry and it was.:D
     
  10. wokri

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    Here a photo of the location which was repaired.
     

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  11. Blueflame236

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    Amazing product range!

    Wolfgang

    I am so glad on your behave that you sucseeded finding a Product that gives this promizing result.This without any spesialized help . These Products are well documented:) Congratiolations. Thanks for sharing Your photo.
    Can i ask you what the price range is for a 1/2 liter of this Dichtol ?
    Good Luck With the leakage , tell my if you can fix it with the new Product that Nate advized you to use instead of the wrope Product.

    Never to old to learn Martinius.:)
     
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  12. wokri

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    Hello Martinius,
    yes you can, I payed for the spray about roundabout 50 Euros. Thats no cheap, but I think thats a good product.
     
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    Thanks for the info Wolfgang and the photo.

    Charles
     
  14. vwnate1

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    Sorry for the late reply Wokri , I never forget a request , some take years .

    Anyways here's the brand and # :

    Part Number: FPG BS13363
    Product Line: FEL-PRO Gaskets

    Here's a link to the website I looked it up on : http://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/C.../Rear-Main-Seal-Set/_/R-FPGBS13363_0165552845

    NAPA Auto Parts tends to have pretty good stuff if pricy .

    I went there and entered : 1961 Chevrolet 1/2 ton pickup truck with 235 I6 engine , then I clicked on engine parts & gaskets , there's dozens of pages of " Hard parts " to choose from .

    I hope this helps you out .

    FWIW , whenever I do a rear main seal job , I always replace all the main bearing shells to ensure the crankshaft isn't flopping around .

    If you have access to a Cylinder Leakdown Tester , I'd get and use that too as worn out piston rings cause over pressurization of the crankcase and of course , this means more oil is pushed out during normal operation ~ few American Mechanics ever learn proper piston ring breakin because the engines run about the same even with significant blowby .

    Me , I break 'em in in 60 seconds , very carefully and have more power , less oil burning and less weeps & seeps of oil .

    I'm also a big believer / user of " Gapless " (staggered ends really) piston rings for the same effect & reason . You being German , I assume you understand my extremely picky ways of Auto Repair and Engine Building even though I have old junk :D .

    Please keep us informed .
     
  15. wokri

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    Hello Nate, thanks a lot!
     
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    You're Welcome !

    Again a slow reply ~ I've been 3,000 miles away .

    I hope you get the leak stopped , I hate oil leaks .
     
  17. wokri

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    Hello Nate,
    my truck makes winter sleep. But thanks for links. I found a dealer for US cars which can my sell the seals you posted. So next month, after I made my beetle convertible, I'll take my truck on the car lift and will have a look where the oil comes out and on this way I'll change the seals at the crankshaft.
    Wolfgang
     
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    O.K. Wokri ;

    I understand the winter sleep .

    Keep us posted please .
     

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